Hmm... sounds like another monoply! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: Re: possible sollution > That's something else. I've heard that the screen reader for os/2 is about $800, and it's the only one out there too. > Greg > > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 12:37:17AM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote: > > Hi, > > I've left your post intact. Just a couple comments about it. Prior to > > windows xp m.s. did not have a product which would provide speech while it > > was installing. Slackware has an out-of-the-box speech enabled install and > > has for a while. There are list members here whom donate their time doing > > the same for redhat. Apparently that goes back a ways given the number of > > releases held on the speakup ftp site. I can't speak for other list > > members, but I try to answer all questions that I can (my knowledge base is > > also limited). In at least one instance I have pointed a user to a "howto", > > but that is because of my ignorance on the subject matter and I would prefer > > to give accurate information as opposed to being overly helpfull and > > exceeding my knowledge base. Wrong answers do more damage than harm (at > > least in my opinion). Don't get me wrong, i'm not perfect nor is my record. > > I do however try to clearly identify areas that are "guesses" as opposed to > > "fact". > > > > At least with linux all the documentation is available on-line and in fact, > > much of it comes with the distribution. That's why redhat has a cd > > dedicated to documentation. Linux, like windows is an extremely complex set > > of various software packages. Your mileage may vary depending on the > > hardware you have and the choices you make in the installation process. > > apropos is a good command to remember as is man and info. > > > > In conclusion, if you want a stable gui environment with optional text mode > > that doesn't crash several times a day, buy os/2! It's easy to setup and > > runs like a champ. It is however a bit dated. > > > > Regards, > > > > Cecil > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > > Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that I can't install Linux by > > > myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know too many things > > > about Linux. > > > In Windows, even somebody don't know too many things, they could press > > the > > > "next" button and the system will be installed. > > > A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying to > > > install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors and > > they > > > were criptical for me. > > > > > > What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies. > > > The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach > > > others. > > > They simply point to a web site, and that's all. > > > Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up. > > > The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just to > > get > > > the information I want. > > > > > > I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a few > > > months, but it is not my style of learning. > > > > > > I like the trial and fail by example way of learning. > > > > > > This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error message > > > telling me what's wrong. > > > > > > I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve > > it... > > > It is the same with the error messages from the log files. > > > They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think, but I > > > should learn by manual and it is not my style. > > > > > > I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go to > > > http:// .... > > > I think you've got the idea. > > > > > > Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really try > > to > > > help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but Linux > > > people don't have the time. > > > > > > Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some > > stupid > > > questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time. > > > Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help from > > the > > > people who know, then why joining a list? > > > Just for pointing to a web page? > > > I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about > > > Linux, but it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find with a > > > single question and answer. > > > > > > I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time to > > read > > > them all. > > > > > > With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but is > > > very hard to follow this way under Linux. > > > > > > Maybe I should change my way ... If I can. > > > > > > Teddy, > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > > > > This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another > > > "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go > > > further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself > > > over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind > > > of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let > > > that other stuff go. You don't need it. > > > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think that's > > > the > > > > problem. > > > > In some countries, it is something very bad to crack or to use pirated > > > > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution. > > > > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that produces > > that > > > > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I > > won't > > > > use it. That's all. > > > > > > > > Teddy, > > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "brian Moore" <admin at bmoore.yi.org> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM > > > > Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > > > > > > > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in many > > > > respects than those in the u.s. this is one of my gripes with > > > > bookshare abut that is a separate issue. we have the same provisions > > > > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get > > > > access. > > > > > > > > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how one > > > > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it > > > > might attract some unwanted attention. > > > > > > > > Brian. > > > > > > > > > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > > > > > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > > > > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks? > > > > >To speak, not to crack. > > > > > > > > > >Thank you for information. > > > > >Teddy, > > > > >orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org> > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of > > > > course, I > > > > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2 > > > > countries. > > > > >Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote: > > > > >> *snip* > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hey Igor, > > > > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip* > > > > >> > > > > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list? After all, > > > > there > > > > >is > > > > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s. This thread is quite possibly over > > > > the > > > > >line > > > > >> of what is legal within this country. I for one do not wish to see > > > > this > > > > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both > > > > could > > > > >> occur within the u.s. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> > > > > >> Cecil Whitley > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Speakup mailing list > > > > >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Speakup mailing list > > > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Speakup mailing list > > > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
