Hi all, OK, Teddy. I learn this way too. It is very hard to read a manual if you do not understand what you are reading. The best way to start learning is ask a simple question. When you get the answer to that question, go to the next question. Decide what you want to do and then ask your questions. <smile> Yes, the man pages are terrible. I hated man pages when I first started, but they become more understandable the more you learn. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT