Here's another one. Can one yet get a readable report on installed hardware under Windows? As I recall, there's such a thing, but it writes a graphical file. Not at all as friendly as dmesg. On Sun, 19 May 2002, Cecil H. Whitley wrote: > Hi, > even more usefull.... > You've got your network settings set to "obtain an ip address > automatically"..... How do you find your current ip address? Under 9x? > Under NT? Under 2k/xp? > You have to remember which operating system and which command to use because > it's not the same in all cases. > > Admittedly the learning curve is less steep, but the os itself is less > powerfull as well. Fewer features directly relate to easier to learn. Less > capability also directly equates to less learning needed. GUI's have some > benefits, almost any 1d10t can erase/format his/her hard drive in less time. > It's amazing how fast sighted people can trash a windows system. Keeps me > employed anyway. > Cecil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > If you know a good text editor under Linux please tell me. > > > > emacs and/or vim. You'll never need anything else. So, learn them > > or go back toWindows. > > > > > Well, under Windows, you don't need to remember anything at all. > > > > That's not true. What is your card's mac address? Go ahead. Find > > it. > > Then tell us you don't need to remember anything. > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there. > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press some > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or the > right > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the help file > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under > Linux. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Teddy, > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:14 AM > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > OK, let's take this one question at a time ... > > > > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > > > > Are there any games accessible for the blind under Linux, like under > > > > Windows? > > > > Please tell me some web addresses. > > > > > > I was with you until you said "like Windows." I have no idea > > > about Windows. I know nothing about it. > > > > > > But, if you want games, you can find them. Maybe they're better, > > > maybe not. But they're out there. Emacs comes with games, and > > > some are speech enabled by emacspeak. The only game I really know > > > much about is gnu chess which can be obtained from > > > http://www.gnu.org. > > > > > > I'm generally too interested in things to play games on my > > > computer. Last thing I'm likely to do, so I'm out of knowledge > > > here. > > > > > > > Are there any good sound editing programs for Linux, like Sound Forge, > > > Cool > > > > Edit, Gold Wave, etc, and programs for creating MIDI music, like Cake > > > Walk? > > > > > > > > > There's ecasound and sox. Very accessible. And there's > > > gramophone. I recently came across a java midi patch editor, but > > > I haven't had the time to get it working yet to find out about > > > its accessibility. Admitedly, these are less functional than the > > > Windows apps you mention for many tasks. Is this what you do? Or > > > are these academic questions? > > > > > > > Is there a text editor, that has macro features, Regular expressions, > the > > > > ability to save in Windows/Mac/Unix format, etc? > > > > > > What is Mac format? I've never heard of that. And what is Windows > > > format? > > > And, why would you care? > > > > > > Is there powerful text editing, formatting, scripting? Of course > > > there is. Far more powerful than in Windows or Mac. There are > > > probably too many to mention, actually. Linux/Unix has the > > > proprietary world beat hands down on this one. > > > > > > Those format questions are themselves silly. You don't need them. > > > You certainly don't need them to communicate with anyone, or to > > > print out lovely reports, or design lovely e-content for on line > > > publishing, etc. > > > > > > In fact, you do better to forget them and use the superior tools > > > available on Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > ... Just a few things that camed to mind. > > > > > > > > A lot of things are accessible, but ... harder to learn, harder to > > > configure > > > > and harder to use, if I am not so bright to remember 1000 command line > > > > parameters. > > > > > > Give me a break. Grow up. How do you remember 1,000 dialog boxes. > > > How do you remember where to tell windows to show extensions to > > > files, for example. Or how about finding your ethernet card's mac > > > address. Do you remember that? I could go on. This is another > > > bogus argument. > > > > > > But, if you think the gui is actually superior, you're going to > > > lose this excuse soon enough. GNOME is coming. What sad song are > > > you going to sing then? > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the links. > > > > Teddy, > > > > orasnita at home.ro > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:59 PM > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 18 May 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > > > > > I just wish Linux were > > > > > a more viable general purpose workstation; I use Windows for that > > > purpose. > > > > > > > > > Hi, Darrell: > > > > > > > > Just wondering what you think is missing from Linux' desktop > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > In case this sounds loaded, it might be. The underlying question > > > > might be: Is it your knowledge deficit, or is it Linux itself? > > > > For my own experience in this matter, I've found it's my > > > > knowledge deficit almost without exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
