why are we even having this discussion? a seg fault or illegal operation is simply due to a program trying to exceed it's memory allocation for whatever reason. if you don't have the source code or for that matter know what to do about it, why are you even worrying about it. all I know is that when an illegal operation on windblows ocurs 9 times out of 10, it takes the whole os down with it thus causing a stack dump. or core dump. why? how the bloody hell should I know? it's windows we're not supposed to know. We're just expected to run the thing and not cry about it. or, pay big dollars for some snot nosed little brat to tell what you already knew in the first place. -- Shaun Oliver Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and the > > only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor. > > -- Wernher von Braun. > > email: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au > > icq:76958435