The OGG Vorbis format is not proprietary, and was explicitly created to stay that way. http://www.vorbis.com Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Myrow" <myrow@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: 17 May, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: Re: java/java script/ya ain't missing much The theory of the Javascript submit button (at least as I understand it,) is that it makes the client do data verification rather than the server. For example, if you are making an online purchase, and you enter 1 too many digits in your credit card number, the client would catch this before the data got uploaded to the server and sent to a bank and then returned as invalid. I still think that it's just laziness. I remember in college that I had a professor who used Java script on his web page that was needed for class. This was back in the days of IE3 and Netscape 3.01. As you can imagine, it was real hard to use. Almost impossible, in fact. Even when I explained it to him, he flat refused to replace the Javascript. Now, as for those Javascript links, I think the only thing they do is serve you those annoying popup adds. I can't stand how so many sites with Real Audio content happily use those things. Oh, speaking of Real media, did anybody notice how they switched to that "Real One" player, abandoned Linux and Windows 95, and from what I hear, the new player is inaccessible. Shows how much they care about their users! I think somebody needs to come up with a GPL streaming format. Every audio/video streaming format I know of is proprietary.
