Actually, as odious as Java/HJavascript are, one fairly useful thing that one can do is have a form that won't submit unless it's filled out properly. Course, IMO that may as well be done on the server end, but I guess having the form checking in the actual form might save some time (especially on slower connections....maybe?) -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | I choose you to take up all of my time. Email: davros at ycardz.com | I choose you because you're funny and kind | I want easy people from now on. | --the Nields