Hi greg and all! No, actually, there's a beta12. Though I've had it with alsa for the time being! Just go to www.alsa-project.org and in that main site arrow clear down till you get to it or do a slash and look for beta12 Actually, if you are in lynx it's about link 29 that they start and go through 32; of course, the links take you to the ftp site but it's easier for me to tell you how to do it this way. Have fun!!!