Hi all, <smile> I've got to put in my oar here folks. I need to defend those of us who need to be shown what to do before we can do it or understand explanations of what we have done. In my case, I need to do whatever it is before I read about it. Why? Because I can't understand what I read until I have experienced whatever action I'm reading about. Finally, there comes a time for me, and I am in that transition now, where because of all that I have experienced, I can read a man page or a document and understand what I'm reading because I have something to connect the new knowledge to. I've been following Igor's progress here, and it seems to me that he's done his share of reading about things. I think your reference to places to find the info are good, very good, but your implication that Igor is taking up the list's time wasn't called for. If you want to go to a techie, unfriendly list, join emacspeak or blinux. We've never turned away anyone from asking questions, even the simple ones. I don't want to see us doing it now, cuz if you do, I'll have to unsub. <smile> Frankly, if I had to remove a user right now, I couldn't do it. I can't remember the syntax! I do, however, keep what I call tips.txt. In there, I have a bunch of notes on commands about how to do stuff. It's my way of keeping track of stuff I won't remember after two days. One point of information, if you try to look up "skuzzy" in a dictionary or a manual, you won't find it. You have to know what you're looking for in order to find it. In computerese, that can be very specific. Hence if rmuser isn't the right command, looking it up under that name will yield naught. Just my two cents for a Thursday morning. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT