Hi! I couldn't resist jumping in here. First, I miss assembler language programming. I know it isn't standard, it doesn't lend itself to structured techniques and all of that but it is how things eventually get done inside the computer and I guess that is what I like. I have worked with IBM 360/370 assembler, Unisys 1100/2200/4800 assembler, PC assemblers back as far as the 8080 and Z80 with CP/M and of course the rest of the Intel stuff under MSDOS and liked them all. I know this list is supposed to be about other things but assembler language is so close to my heart that I couldn't resist. Enjoy! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Computer Science Amen! Richard, I miss it and would love to go back to coding and maintaining Assembler code again! Amanda Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Villa" <rvilla1@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Computer Science I wonder when the last time anyone did any real programming not just coding using a language like assembler. I don't believe anyone knows what programming is until they have to write in an assembly language. On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Johan Bergstr?m wrote: > In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programming > languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are separate > windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially for > people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows kernel > using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in a *nix > based enviroment. > > johbe > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my college > > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript, Visual C++, MS > > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point. > > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fact all the > > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them. > > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think they do any > > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I went > > through they were just making the switch to MS everything. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Amanda Lee <amanda at shellworld.net> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Science > > > > > > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grads we get > > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about. > > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA is > > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C > > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for > > > straight C Language. > > > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at > > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform. It's > > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been > > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think > > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the > > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this mentality > > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they > > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are so many > > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency. > > > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz at hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you > > were > > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not > > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science > > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, not a > > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the > > past > > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard. I > > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on > > a > > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount of people > > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use > > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX > > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it > > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- It is better to give then to receive. You don't believe me, just ask a boxer. Richard _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
