Huh? Nobody's forcing anybody to take anything. I totaly miss your point. On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Georgina wrote: > Hi > > With respect, we'll have to agree to disagree. Napster gave control to the > user. The end user chose what could be delivered and that to be received. > Free in both senses. I see it as an insult of the Napster consept. I'll > not be grateful to those who have made a living from producing products that > I can choose to buy or not. It may not be profit making but they're making a > living out of it. We all respect and appreciate that the local store is > there and the staff stock the store and serve us but we don't have to be > licking their boots in gratitude for their contribution. > > Gena > > > > >Gina: > > > >Part of the rationale for putting BookShare up is based on what you just > >described. You gave the cost of having a title prepared for you. It sounds > >like an expensive effort. Yet, if someone else, somewhere else needs that > >same title, without a service like BookShare, they'd have to incur the > >same expenses all over again. > > > >The people who are behind BookShare, are the same people who gave us > >Arkenstone products up to the point that Freedom Scientific bought > >Arkenstone. In fact, the money from that purchase went into putting > >BookShare together--along with some other projects at > >http://www.benetech.org. It had to. Arkenstone was one of those 501(C)3 > >nonprofitI wrote you about the other day. By U.S. law, the money from the > >sale of Arkenstone had to go to another nonprofit and not into people's > >pockets. > > > >So, the point of this story, is that these former Arkenstone and now > >Benetech people are on to what you've described. They've seen people using > >technology to meet their needs. And, they've seen many people scanning the > >same title independently, at great expense, with no ability--except > >happenstance--to share with others who need that title. Ergo, BookShare. > > > >Is it nabster? Not really. U.S. Copyright law allows any individual who is > >blind to take published content and make it accessible for themselves, or > >to get someone else to do it for them. And, it allows agencies whose > >mission is to make published information accessible to publish to blind > >users without asking anyone's permission. So, maybe nabster copied the > >U.S. copyright law's provisions for blind people. Maybe it's that other > >way around. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Georgina wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> Although, this aspect is off topic, I thank those who have attempted to > >> clarify these matters. But I do feel that there is an important issue > >> of us giving up control and just following the majority that we need to > >> consider. > >> > >> The pricing is a very important one. I as a student paid support > >> workers to scan and correct books and Jernal articles. Because books > >> vary so much its difficult to find an average but the following costs > >> were quite common during the pas five years of my studies: > >> > >> The book would cost twenty pounds. A support worker would take six > >> hours being paid five pounds an hour to scan it. If I was lucky, they'd > >> correct the majority of errors in ten hours at five pounds an hour. > >> Thus this twenty pound book has cost one hundred pounds to access. > >> > >> Gena > >> > >> > >> > >> >You also receive 50 cents credit per each book that you apply the Basic > >> >Publish procedure on. Do 100 of those per year and you cover your > >> >subscription. > >> > > >> >I suppose they don't think that all persons will participate in this effort > >> >and perhaps if so, they will enact different requirements. > >> >I don't have a lot of time to scan books at the moment but in time I will > >> >for various reasons. believe in the longrun, it will be a worthwhile > >> >service provided it will be able to thrive. > >> > > >> >Amanda Lee > >> > > >> >Alexandria, VA > >> > > >> > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Ann Parsons" <akp at eznet.net> > >> >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:11 PM > >> >Subject: sideways look! Was: USA: Online book-sharing service > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi all, > >> > > >> ><smile> Gena, it is my understanding that if you contribute books, > >> >you get $2.50 knocked off your next year's fee. So, if you scanned 20 > >> >books, then your next year's subscription would be free. the money > >> >should go to pay for the server and so on. I don't know about > >> >salaries for other stuff. I think this is a worthwhile project, I > >> >just wish it were slightly more accessible. > >> > > >> >Ann P. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Ann K. Parsons > >> >email: akp at eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > >> >WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > >> >"All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." > >> >JRRT > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Speakup mailing list > >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > >http://www.openebook.org > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org
