Man you just don't get it! what are you doing hanging onto a Linux list for if you're saying this kind of nonsense? O' I see! they didn't teach you in WindBlows for the blinkie how to find the Delete key cuz being a WindBlows supporter, you sure don't want to think about where it is! On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Chris Peterson wrote: > Oh my God! You people amaze me over and over again. > > They don't need pressure on them to make the system accessible to Linux > users. They just need a programmer with the experience to write the > software for them. This may surprise you, but there are many more Windows > users than Linux users and programming for Windows and Linux are different > enough so that it isn't necessarily an easy proposition to write a Linux > unpack utility with their current programmers. > > Not to mention that this is a nonproffit organization that is simply trying > to organize us to do a good thing and, rather than being happy about it and > trying to provide constructive suggestions, you want to gang up on them all > at once. Wow! They should shut down even before they start because they > can't please everyone on the first day. I don't believe it! > > So what would be the best way to handle this? Why not get intouch with > anyone you know who has experience programming in Linux and ask them to > volunteer to help out with a linux version of the unpack utility. > > Also, rather than saying, "the web site is not accessible", before you even > tried to use it, why not go through the web site and make a list of things > you'd change to make it easier to use with Lynx. Then send that to them and > they'll have something to work with. > > Finally, if you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth > shut and let them work the bugs out. They're not Microsoft, and they don't > need us ganging up on them. They could be spending their time on > money-making ventures, but they're trying to put together a system that'll > help us out. I, for one, aplaud their efforts and want to see them succeed. > I imagine I'll also contribute a book from time to time. > > Now, could you all take this off the list as it has nothing to do with > speakup? Thanks! > > Chris Peterson > _______________ > The Space Report > Internet and satellite delivered news from space. > Visit our web site at www.TheSpaceReport.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Logan" <plogan at dorsai.org> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: FW: USA: Online book-sharing service for the blind borrows a > page from Napster > > > > Right on, Ann! My feelings about this almost completely > > duplicate yours. The blindness esbablishment as well as the > > sighted world in computers, when they can't blackmail us into > > suffering with Windows for employment purposes, try the carrot > > as well as the stick. They offer us things we would very much > > love to have, such as a wider variety of reading material, if > > and only if ... > > > > Janina, perhaps it might we worthwhile to compile a list > > of names of people who would use the book sharing service if > > the site and files were made linux and lynx accessible. There > > may well be enough of us to put pressure on them big time. If > > you make that list please add my name, resident of New York, > > NY, under Ann's. > > > > Pat Logan > > On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Ann Parsons wrote: > > > > > Hi Janina, > > > > > > Well, I found that it was virtually impossible to get at the site > > > during the beta. I found that the application was only a long, long, > > > long, long, long agreement with several check boxes, but there was no > > > place to add an address, a name of anything else! I haven't been back > > > there because it says on the top of the page that "this site is for > > > users of MSIE5.5 or above." I just didn't bother. I figured that > > > there was nothing I could do. My Windows computer has been down for > > > two months, and I want so much to download books and to join, but what > > > can I do? I have some books here I've scanned that I might > > > conceivably want to upload there, but nobody deigned to say anything > > > to me. I'm on the beta list. Nobody bothered to talk to me at all, > > > find out *why* I was unhappy with the site, or what I was > > > experiencing. In fact, they just about ignored me cuz I use Linux. > > > It was made very, very, very, very, very, very clear that I was just > > > chopped liver and so I haven't bothered to even try to access the site > > > in Lynx. I figured that it would be virtually impossible, so I've > > > been waiting for my Windows machine to get fixed, and now I discover I > > > have to wait more time! > > > > > > Janina, I hate Windows, but I want to join Bookshare`! I want to > > > download books! It won't do me any good to go there anyway in Lynx > > > cuz the unpack tool is for Windows, or didn't you realize that? Sure > > > they're looking for somebody to write their program for Linux because > > > they've finally awakened to the fact that maybe somebody ought to pay > > > attention to another OS. But what's the good of writing an unpack > > > tool for Linux when the site is "only for MSIE5.5 or above"? I mean > > > if you're going to be *that* exclusive, what's the good, Janina? What > > > about people who only have MSIE4 or Netscape or PW-Webspeak or IBM web > > > reader? What about those peopoe, huh? Do they know how snooty and > > > exclusive that phrase sounds? Do they realize how it looks? Haven't > > > we had enough of being shut out? > > > > > > If my Windows machine isn't up yet, and if I only have Linux, then > > > downloading an unpack tool for Windows isn't going to do me a hoot in > > > Hell. Maybe that's why everybody has been ignoring me, eh? I'm > > > sorry, Janina, but you asked me, and I'm telling you. I feel shut > > > out, ignored, and thrown away. The site is for "MSIE5.5 or later", it > > > says so right on the page, damn it!!! It's supposed to be for the > > > blind. It's supposed to be so that we can access books! It's > > > supposed to be a tool to help us, and it's just another fanthom, > > > supposedly accessible but only if you have the right equipment. > > > <sigh> What about people who use W3, what about them? What about > > > people who have shell accounts, there are some, you know. They're > > > limited to Lynx. I'm sorry, Janina, but I'm disgusted and feeling > > > angry and really quite upset. I didn't realize how upset I was till > > > you asked me how I was doing. > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
