Pete: I address this to you, because you've been posting a lot of "is ther a" kinds of questions here lately, but it really goes to all of us. Can't we be a little smarter? There are fabulous search engines on the net, and they work very well in linux with assistive technologies. My favorite is: http://www.google.com Wonderful things come on screen if you go to the text entry box and type in: basic programming linux" Am I the only one here who knows how to use Google? On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Pete wrote: > > Is there a basic for linux? It seems there are a lot of new things to > learn whith using the command shell and scripts let alone learning to patch > and compile source. > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1 at uic.edu> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: free programming language > > > An ide or integrated development enviornment is a visual interface that > automatically calls the editor, compiler, debugger ETC. without the > programmer needing to learn commands to do theese things. In my experience, > they usually don't prove to be very accessible, and it takes more time to > use them then it does to just edit and compile the code from the command > line. Ron is right about not getting tangled up in ides until you know the > programming language well enough. I myself had the fortune of starting out > with basic on the braille 'n speak, and then adding to that by using basica > under DOS. > Greg > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 04:09:52AM -0500, Pete wrote: > > > > What are ides? > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Marriage" <marriage at seidata.com> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: free programming language > > > > > > Having taught programming languages for over 30 years, I > > figure to weigh in with my own 2 cents. > > > > First off, if you don't know a programming language now, > > forget about the compilers, IDEs, etc. > > You don't want to learn an IDE you want to know how to > > program. The skills that you learn will transfer to most > > other languages. > > > > Basic is available in many flavors, pick one, so it's > > interpreted, why should you care. Believe it or not you > > won't develope the newest MS office suite with it or with > > any language you start out with. > > > > What you can learn though even with an interpreted language > > is logic, methodology, and a background that will carry over > > to more advanced languages, where you will have the chance > > of doing something worthwhile. > > > > Tie yourself to an IDE now and you won't learn programming > > ever. You also won't develope anything more than what you > > can do by pushing buttons. An IDE is good only after you > > learn how to program. > > > > Get basic, play with it a while, then try C or some other > > higher language. > > > > Lots of languages out there and most work great for specific > > things. Not eveything is done in C. > > > > After you have some basic skills, decide what it is that you > > want to do. You might realize then that the language you > > want is much easier to decide upon. > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Alex Snow wrote: > > > > > > I would use, and want to learn, basic, if there was a free Compiler > and/or > > > IDE for basic under winblows. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1 at uic.edu> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 2:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: free programming language > > > > > > > How about BASIC? > > > > Greg > > > > -- > > === > > Ron Marriage > > Home Page http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/ > > Blind Links http://www.seidata.com/~marriage/rblind.html > > Linux http://www.seidata.com/~seilug/ > > Email mailto:marriage at seidata.com > > > > Win door prizes! 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