There are both speakup enabled potato and woody images available at linux-speakup.org. There a hell of a lot of folks here on the list that know debian and if you want hand holding then get speak freely for windows working and get on the reflector. I think if you ask many folks they'll tell you they received a lot of help from the folks on the reflector. If you feel you need a support group then they are the best because they know debian and speakup. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061