David:
Is that what M$ calls Windows 1252 character set? Western?
In Pine, your mail always starts out with the following three lines that
Pine inserts:
[ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
[ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set. ]
[ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]
Now, as you and I both know, sighted people barely tend to even notice
this stuff. But, we have to hack through it somehow--annoying perhaps, but
reasonable enough if there's some content once one gets inside the mail.
The trouble is, that a lot of stuff gets dumped with screenfuls of
forwards, and unedited headers, and urls that are written for servers and
not humans, and, and, and, well, you know what I mean, I think.
On Fri, 1
Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> I have my mailer set to output plain text and my script set to western.
> If windows obeys my commands, you get the kind of mail you should get.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Borowski" <brianb at braille.uwo.ca>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list...
>
>
> Greg:
> Maybe they can't aford a modem, but they sure can adjust settings to
> reduce
> crap in their out-going mail, and if they don't know how, then find
> someone
> who can help get through the settings and change it. The idea, that an
> empty message from a standard windows email client contains about 2K of
> nothing is just stupid and a waste...
>
> Brian Borowski
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > Fortunately, this doesn't appply to me anymore since I got broadband.
> But, you know, hardware modems are not exactly cheap. Yes, there are
> some gnu/linux drivers for windows modems, but not everyone has a
> supported modem. So, if you'd like people on this list to be using pine,
> mutt, ETC. for their mail, take into consideration the fact that not
> everyone here can aford a new modem, or an expensive broadband
> connection.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:20:50AM -0500, Brian Borowski wrote:
> > > I guess this has been discussed bofore, but I can't help doing it
> again.
> > > Why do so many people use outlook and other Windows utilities to
> post to
> > > this list? It's understandable if you're a new user, but doing it
> for a
> > > year or two, makes me wonder; if you're a Windows user and never
> want to
> > > use linux to do your stuff; get off the list, and stop polluting it
> with
> > > crap. If you're a windows user, and insist on posting (especially
> for
> > > some of those high-volume posters), then change your settings so
> that we
> > > don't have to se a couple of Kbytes of header, and shut off the damn
> html
> > > repeat of your message that shows up at the end. It may come as a
> big
> > > surprise to some people, but when us people who use pine and other
> mail
> > > readers have to go through hundreds of messages; we don't want to
> see
> > > (hear) all that garbage; it's a nuisance, and it slows us down
> terribly,
> > > just trying to get through the list.
> > >
> > > Also, I'm in complete agreement with the complaints about including
> > > messages including messages, including messages within eachother
> until
> > > things get huge; it's a waste of bandwidth, and time. I also
> notice, that
> > > some users seem to post multiple copies of their messages; please,
> have
> > > pity on us who read our mail? While I'm complaining:
> > > Why do people include 50 or 100 lines of others messages, and then
> put
> > > their one line comment about it right at the end of all that stuff?
> My
> > > advice, is that if you're going to include all that stuff, and have
> five or
> > > ten words to say about; why not put your comment at the top, and
> save us
> > > all that reading through stuff we've probably already seen before
> so many
> > > times?
> > >
> > > Brian Borowski
> > >
> > >
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Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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