Yes I do however, I still can think of other methods for avoiding this sort of thing and to deny persons who are print disabled access is still absolute stupidity and I won't back down on this. Have these idiots ever heard of setting up limits? Have they heard of limiting the number of access, number of registrations, I probably could type in pages here. They are really being very short-sighted as to dealing with the real problem and so their solution is to barr everyone when I'd say that only a few created this situation in the first place. I feel their pain but I bet you this won't stop abuse. Amanda Lee On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Victor Tsaran wrote: > Amanda, it is not only about mailing lists. It also has to do with the fact > that several "bad people" decided to perform, say, 1000 automatic > registrations at a time. They would like to register 1000 Email accounts on > Yahoo. Do you see any implications? > Victor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda at shellworld.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: Off-topic: Yahoo registration inaccessible to all blind users > > > > A text only interface of course! Wonder how they are serving Wireless > > Phone and PDA users? These devices typically can't handle a lot of high > > resolution graphics and junk! Bessides, what the hell! is so damn! secure > > about a stupid email list? If the FBI wants an Email list I daresay > > they're not going to go to Yahoo dot bomb to get one. This is just a > > stupid excuse for not wanting to think in any different direction than > > stupidity. Many sites have secure and not secured options for doing > > anything from ordering merchandise to signing up for newsletters. > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > > > What would you suggest instead of just complaining? > > > Best, > > > Vic > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve Holmes" <steve at holmesgrown.com> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 7:01 PM > > > Subject: Re: Off-topic: Yahoo registration inaccessible to all blind > users > > > > > > > > > > That's our whole point! If this kind of shit is used with Yahoo, > what's to > > > > stop other services from using that garbage in the name of tighter > > > > security? It reminds me of some products introduced some years back > that > > > > would play some kind of hand-eye cordination game with the user to > prove > > > > it is who he says he is to connect to the local dial-up network at > work. > > > > thank God, this stuff was never implemented at my work but they did > talk > > > > about it briefly til I talked them out of it. > > > > > > > > A web site or application should *NEVER* *NEVER* use bit mapped text > that > > > > cannot be read by any adaptive screen reader products! The only good > > > > thing about that crap was those banner ads we could never read. We > didn't > > > > see them nor hear them so they didn't bother us and we never clicked > > > > them:). > > > > > > > > On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Victor Tsaran wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > There is really nothing Yahoo can do for you in this case. Unless > you > > > have > > > > > some ideas on how the subscription process can be changed, send your > > > > > suggestion to them. From the programming point of view, there is > nothing > > > > > they can do to better the situation. I know it sounds harsh, but > there > > > is > > > > > not much else to say. No kind of alt tag or picture description can > be > > > > > employed to make the "word" accessible. > > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang at uq.net.au> > > > > > To: <blindcast at yahoogroups.com>; <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>; > > > > > <acbri-forum at acbradio.org> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:23 PM > > > > > Subject: Off-topic: Yahoo registration inaccessible to all blind > users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is blatently off-topic. If you're not interested, hit > delete. > > > I'd > > > > > > suggest not discussing it on list unless the moderator deems it > > > on-topic, > > > > > > but that's obviously not for me to say. If you care at all, > please > > > feel > > > > > > free to spread this around. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is apparently now impossible for a blind or low vision person > to > > > > > > independantly register with yahoogroups, no matter what browser > they > > > are > > > > > > using. Yahoogroups has implemented a security feature to stop > > > automated > > > > > > programs from spuriously registering yahoo accounts. > Unfortunately, > > > it's > > > > > > preventing blind people from registering also ... and they know > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > What they've done is to implement a system where a word is printed > on > > > the > > > > > > screen as a graphic. You have to correctly enter this word into > the > > > > > > sign-up form before you can register. This is meant to prove that > > > it's a > > > > > > human doing the registration, but all it does prove is that it's a > > > sighted > > > > > > person able to read print that's doing the registration. They > have a > > > link > > > > > > to click if you can't see the word, and this is what that page > says: > > > > > > > > > > > > What is Word Verification? > > > > > > Visually impaired or blind users: We can help you register. So > that > > > a > > > > > > customer care representative can contact you, please provide > your > > > > > > phone number in addition to your required email address when > you > > > > > > contact us by pasting this URL into your browser: > > > > > > http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/edit/cgi_access > > > > > > By entering the word you see in the box, you help Yahoo! > prevent > > > > > > automated registrations. Doing this reduces system loads and > > > ensures > > > > > > better performance of Yahoo! services. > > > > > > > > > > > > If no image appears, please make sure your browser is set to > > > display > > > > > > images and try again. If you are not sure what the word is, > make > > > your > > > > > > best guess. If you guess incorrectly, you will have an > opportunity > > > to > > > > > > enter a different word on the next screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is pretty damning. They are conceeding that they know it's > > > > > > inaccessibal to blind people and expect me as a blind person to > hand > > > over > > > > > > my phone number so that they can walk me through the registration > > > process. > > > > > > Quite aside from the fact that I do not want to give out my phone > > > number, > > > > > > I'm highly doubtful that someone's going to spare the > international > > > > > expence > > > > > > to call me in Australia. And even if someone from Yahoo Australia > > > calls > > > > > > me, what if I live somewhere where there is no local yahoo branch? > > > > > someone > > > > > > will still have to call me, and I wonder how bothered they'll be > to do > > > > > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > So what to do? Firstly, give yahoo a hard time about it, both the > > > main > > > > > > yahoo in the USA and any local affiliates (e.g. yahoo UK, yahoo > Japan, > > > > > > yahoo Australia, etc). I'd suggest boycotting them altogether, > but I > > > > > > realise that's not always possible. I'd also urge any group > > > moderators to > > > > > > stop using any of the features requiring a yahoo ID until this is > > > > > resolved. > > > > > > If you're a member of a yahoo group, ask your list moderator not > to > > > use > > > > > any > > > > > > of these features, as you as a blind person won't be able to > access > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > The yahoo signup page also says that the word verification > technology > > > was > > > > > > developed in conjunction with the Captcha project (note the > spelling) > > > at > > > > > > Carnegie Mellon University. So I think we should give these > people a > > > hard > > > > > > time too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >
