I am inclined to agree with Gena on this one... There are some very persuasive arguments contained in a two hour lecture by Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, available for download from speakup goodies audio page in two parts: ftp://ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/linux/goodies/audio-files/rms-nyu1.ogg and ftp://ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/linux/goodies/audio-files/rms-nyu2.ogg These are audio files in the ogg/vorbis format. The entire lecture in a more compact ogg/vorbis format is on the speakup site somewhere, but I cannot find it immediately. The same lecture in an mp3 format is 16 megs in size - too big to email, and I do not have access to file space to upload it. I presume Windows advocates can play ogg/vorbis files okay, right? Chuck *<<<=-=>>>*<<<=-=>>>*<<<=-=>>>*<<<=-=>>>* Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (60% of Full)