Well I'm not sure that it is speakup that's crashing, but, for instance, if you wwere unpacking a tarball with the -v option, and all the file names come spilling out, unless you hit keypad enter or ctrl quickly, the system chokes, but I have yet to try that with speakup turned off. thanks for the suggestion about insert+enter and I'll try that. Dan Murphy mailto:mweeby at nycap.rr.com http://home.nycap.rr.com/mweeby Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around us in awareness. -- James Thurber