One thing I wonder is, are you removing the synth? If not, I would suggest that you take another approach. That would be to put in the command to shut the voice off and load another keymap in the login prompt for those who don't want/need speechj. And put the enabling script in their logout. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net Nowlan's Theory: He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from the next freeway exit.