Thank you Amanda. Greg On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 03:21:03PM -0500, Amanda Lee wrote: > Absolutely Greg and very eloquently expressed. > > Amanda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1 at uic.edu> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: anti-word > > > > Janina, > > First of all, we are not talking about publication (or at least I'm not in > the sense of the word). Also, by taking upon your self the conversion of > word documents into plain text, I feel that you are not only encouraging but > also supporting the very thing you and the rest of us disscussing here are > against. > > If you want to teach a bird to find its own food, you won't feed it > continually, you will let it out the window or whatever so that it can > learn. > > Greg > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 02:47:47PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Greg, I run into this all the time. Since I'm the minority--the non-word > > > user--I take it upon myself to translate the contents into something I > can > > > read, and usually don't bother the sendor about it unless they send me > > > something that just doesn't translate well. That's my usual approach. > > > > > > If, the document in question is meant for publication as opposed to > > > something that passes between two or three people, then it's a very > > > different story. Then they don't get to be ignorant in my view. But, as > I > > > said, that's another story. I didn't think we were talking about > > > publication. > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, I do. However, you seem to be missing the point I'm trying to get > across here. So, let me give you an example. > > > > A professor of mine was handing out something that he had written for > the class. Since I knew that he had written it by himself recently, I asked > if he could e-mail me a plain text file instead, so I wouldn't need to mess > with scannning the handout. His answer to me was: "you mean a word > document?" I said "no, I mean a .txt file, a plain ASCII text file." He was > still confused, so I said, "like the files that you create with notepad." He > said "oh, ok." > > > > > > > > My point is as it was before. If all they know about their computer is > how to turn it on and off, then how are they supposed to know about other > platforms if they don't even know for sure what a text file? > > > > > > > > If some of you on this list want to blame the ignorant professor, then > maybe you should blame universities, employers, and the way we learn and > work today. Universities and employers are the ones today who tell you they > want your papers in 12 point font, and formatted this way or that. Now, how > are we supposed to achieve that in something like notepad/emacs/pico? And if > someone else is wondering how the hell this guy became a professor without > knowing crap about what kinds of files he could produce on his computer, > then that is a new question to examine the answer to. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 12:29:50PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Gregory, I keep telling you this answer, but there's some part of it > that > > > > > you seem to still miss. What part is that? > > > > > > > > > > They don't need to know a damm thing to retrieve either a text doc > (no > > > > > formatting), or an html doc (much formatting). > > > > > > > > > > They need know nothing special in order to do that. Do you > understand this > > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And how do you expect them to know about the other platforms if > all they know about their windows computer is how to turn it on and off? > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 12:17:03PM -0500, Charles Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Amanda, Janina and other interested listers, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, looks like the world of advocacy is impinging on > planet > > > > > > > Linux. It is correct to point out that in the ideal there > should not be a > > > > > > > word processing standard imposed by a company, but as we all > know, the > > > > > > > sender of a word file getting a text file back might not see the > world in > > > > > > > the same way. Don't you just hate it when that happens. Smile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess my view is that if word users want to > communicate with > > > > > > > those who don't use word, then they have to adjust to the > realities of > > > > > > > other computer platforms. Consumer choice still has it's place! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Charlie Crawford. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:09 AM 01/13/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Amen! to that Janina! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Amanda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > > > > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:06 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: anti-word > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Steve Holmes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and if a word document is sent to you for your input > and editing, > > > > > > > >I'm > > > > > > > > > > sure the original party would expect the thing to come > back in Word > > > > > > > >format > > > > > > > > > > along with the built-in formatting, styles and such. Some > of this whole > > > > > > > > > > anti Word sounds arogant to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rather think it arrogant to presume everyone wants and > reads Word. I > > > > > > > > > regard it as arrogant to presume we all pay tribute to > Microsoft. I > > > > > > > > > further regard it arrogant to treat a proprietary, > non-consensus, file > > > > > > > > > format as some kind of standard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > > > >Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
