actually, you went a bit beyond that and that was the point I was addressing. I do not disagree that fundamentals are important but let's broaden the fundamentals to include some additional structural and nabigational aids for users who may need them visually. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxx> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: html coding. David, I don't understand you. My point was the suggestion to focus on informational elements first and foremost. This is why I gave the examples I gave. Do you disagree with that? On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, David Poehlman wrote: > let's not forget <br> > but don't condemn too quickly: > <b></b> <i></i> <strong></strong> and what about the wonderful: > <center></center> > and the neat <hr> > with it's possible attribs. > > Whilst I agree that style sheets are the way to go for massive > effectiveness It can be hard to implement them propperly and simple html > without breaking any rules can go far in good stead. > > Also, there is nothing wrong with coding link colors by the numbers. If > we don't get this correct, someone will be telling us that we can use > blue, green and read just like that which doesn't work well for most > presentation tools. > Enjoy! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: html coding. > > > There are a lot of disability no'no's in what you're talking about. > Please > try to be part of the solution, and not part of the problem on this one. > Look at http://www.w3.org/wai/ to learn the how, why, and wherefore of > all > of this. The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) took on accessibility in a > very serious way back in 1996. Since then, many brilliant minds from all > over the planet have worked to define good web practices. The output of > their efforts is in the uri I just gave. > > Essentially, the correct answer to your question is very short. Display > attributes ;should be handled by cascading style sheets. The html itself > should be informational, and not presentational. In other words, the > information and how it looks have been seperated into two separate > specifications in order to support alternate displays such as speech, > braille, small screens, large print, different languages, etc., etc. > > So, consentrate on learning about parallel structures -- the <p> </p> > tags; list items -- the <li> tag; ordered and unordered lists -- <ol> > and > <ul>; etc. Leave the presentational elements until you've mastered > conveying information. > > OK, you did ask! <grin> > > > > > On Mon, 17 > Sep > 2001, Shaun Oliver > wrote: > > > hi guys. I'm just starting out with raw coding of html. > > is there a way I can do silly things like set the colours and > formatting > > atributes like bold, underline, etc? > > thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > Shaun.. > > > > Cat, n.: > > Lapwarmer with built-in buzzer. > > > > Email: shauno at goanna.net.au > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup at braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
