I am having no difficulty with my audio output arrangement here, and have done nothing to create or modify any groups for my sound devices. On my system, /dev/dsp and /dev/audio are symbolic links with 777 permissions; they are linked to /dev/dsp1 and /dev/audio1 which have 666 permissions. Maybe those are not i;mportant details, but then again perhaps they are. Ch;uck Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is Waning Crescent (46% of Full)