You can do that, sure. Actually though, if you've got Windows keys on the right side of your keyboard, I'd actually recommend mapping one of those to "altgr" (which would make the whole business of making a keymap a lot easier.) My laptop has no Windows keys... If you have trouble, let me know and I'll make one for you. Run showkey and let me know the value of one of your Windows keys, and we can define that as altgr, which will make the keypad I have defined usable with the addition of one line. In order to move things to the left alt instead would be do-able, but you would either lose the left alt as meta, or have to redefine that function to another key. Redefining to another key's easy. ... Let me know what you'd prefer. Personally, since the Windows keys aren't used for anything, I'd recommend using them. On my regular keyboard, left Windows key is 125, applicaiton key is 126, and right Windows key is 127. Let me know what your laptop has and making the keymap is no problem. (Actually, it's very easy--the keymap is just a text file, and Kirk tells how the Speakup keys are defined in the keymap tutorial.) -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | From the pines down to the projects, Email: davros at ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | And it's only going forward, ICQ: 36621210 | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes