I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small changes in Speakup. I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush