On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Tyler Spivey wrote: > is it down: i can't > telnet lwl.braille.uwo.ca 4074 > ... just to test that, it won't connect > connection refused AFAIK, it is running just fine. Speak freely uses UDP not TCP, so telneting to port 4074 won't connect to the reflector. The best way to determine if the reflector is dead is to connect with speak freely then look at http://lwl.braille.uwo.ca/speakup.html and see if you're listed. If you're not, either the reflector or the LWL server are down. Note that the LWL server may take a minute or two to update, so check the last modified time to be sure that there's a problem. Geoff.