When you hit ins-* your console will make a double raising beep sound. You then type two digits followed by 'x' or 'y' which then position your reading cursor at the position you gave, so for example: ins-* bleep bleep 18x And look ma, my reading cursor is at position 18. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061