Cheryl Sounds like there is something strange going on here. I just patched a 2.4.5 tree with a checkout script from Jan. 19th. The next thing after it says patching v2.4 it asks for the cvsroot and then the password. I think there is something wrong with cvs or your networking can't see linux-speakup.org. Feel free to call if you can't get on the reflector. -- Frank Carmickle phone: 412 761-9568 email: frankiec at dryrose.com