Most likely there is. If you are using ipchains on your personal firewall then you can change this with the -M option. You will want to consult the documentation for specifics. If you are using a comercial product consult their docs. You may also be able to adjust the time before a keep alive packet is sent. Finally, if you are behind a corperate firewall they may even be filtering out things such as keep alive packets. At any rate, I would not recomend trying to defeat the thing. If you have some compelling business reason for holding the session then go through proper chanels. Remember that several notorious people have gone to jail because their view of what their employer wanted them to do and the employer's differed. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.