Well, it isn't totally a raw path. But for the most part you can treat it that way. It converts newlines to either nulls or returns. I don't remember which right off-hand. Come to think about it, I don't remember a lot of things about it. The first thing to go you know is your memory and I can't remember what's second. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061