Ogg/vorbis is a new encoding system for audio and video files or streams. It has higher quality sound and smaller compressed files. Its real advantage is that it's gpl'd so totally free software. You can find out more about it at www.vorbis.org. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061