Hi Terry: Pine is not a gpl'd program and has restrictions by Washington University on how it must be distributed. Therefore debian makes source only packages for pine which you can easily get. I think they maintane two separate versions for some reason unknown to me, v-3.xx and v-4.xx. Anyway apt-get and friends will happily fetch the pine source and compile it automagically for you. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061