Hi Chris: My guess is that 2.3.9 is one of those cusp kernel version where the speakup code hadn't totally matched the kernel code. It worked up until 2.3.08 and then It didn't work again until 2.3.51. That's is because that was the amount of time that went by before I got around to writing the changes. I recommend you either get 2.4.0-test 1 or 2 or go back to the much safer 2.2.xx. What type of card did they not support sound wise until 2.3.9? The other possibility is to use the 2.2.xx and check to see if the alsa drivers cover your card. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061