I take my machine down for three reasons typically. The first is that lightning storms roll through and the machine doesn't care for those surges. The next is that ocasionally the power just drops. The third is cause I just want to mess with it and/or, I don't know what I am doing while I mess with it. Notice, I freely admit that sometimes I reboot out of sheer ignorance. I know that something can be accomplished without the reboot,but reboot because I am not sure how to accomplish my goal otherwise. but this last thing is dropping lower and lower on the list. (Oh I did of course reboot when I changed distributions recently and am sure there was no way arround that.) ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net