Hmmm, that's exactly the same problem that others are reporting. I haven't tried it yet on test9 but I have it running just fine on test8. I will try it here at home on my box with test9 sometime in the next day or so. Does test9 compile and run fine without speakup patched in? I realize that may not be an easy thing to test, but I was curious whether you had tried it? I guess the next question I should ask everyone here is has anyone successfully run speakup cvs on the 2.4.0-testxx kernels other than myself? Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061