While it would be nice if developers took their tightened code back to the full size machine I doubt that will happen much. i would suspect that those developing for PDAs do little work developing for the full size computers. part of their method though is cutting features. Now for a question towards the goal of a PDA: When working with refreshable Braille and the 8 dot cell. My understanding is that the dot below dot 6 is used to indicate a capital letter. Is this correct? And then what is the other dot used for? Finally is their a convention concerning how these two dots are numbered? Sorry for lying and saying I had a question when I have many. But one more question directly related. It seems to me that adding these two dots to the keyboard will greatly expand the input ability and possibly even speed. Instead of using two cells for capitalization, you could use one. How about some feed back about this and what should be done with these. One inclination I had was to make one a control key since control is used so much in Linux. Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net ------------------ Your fly might be open (but don't check it just now).