Hi Tom and all: You may have noticed that we currently have no ftp, web pages and reflector. Bumpy has experienced a primary drive chrash. We have been working on it trying not to lose the data because some of it cannot be replaced. Hopefully, we will get the machine back up sometime this afternoon Saturday the 17th. I think we'll be able to save it all. I am sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. It certainly has caused me a fair chunk of stress. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061