I tried all the suggestions concerning this and found that for me with zipspeak, that ppp-go was the best but it does connect right away. whatever you do to make it dial on demand either ppp-go -d or pppd -d which I doubt worked for me for demand dialing with no configuration beyond pppsetup. -- Hands-On Technolog(eye)s ftp://poehlman.clark.net http://poehlman.clark.net mailto:poehlman at clark.net voice 301-949-7599 end sig.