Hi: Did you save copies of your patching output for either or both the low latency patch or speakup patch? I would check carefully to see if something like a hunk failed during the patching process. I don't know other than that. The scr_readw macro is pretty important so I can't imagine them replacing it with something else. It would break a lot more than speakup. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk at braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061