As for the PDA that was being talked about, I am working on the software to do braille translation on the fly. Such a project will reveal how truely complicated braille is if that hadn't been clear before. Once that is to a point it is workable I will be looking at the hardware for the project again. Right now many new chips are comming out and the landscape in two months will be different then currently. Of course the software landscape is changing as well. Though I don't know if it will work, Minux is now available for use without license problems. That would reduce the minimum hardware, but introduces a need for a screen reader. I have no idea about how portible Speakup would be to that platform. So it is still arround. Do you want to lend some programming help? -- Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net ------------------ Why can't you be a non-conformist, like everybody else?