yeah, you aren't kidding. Well that's what happens when you got way to many things going on at once. I finally have a working machine. I was up and down most the wknd with this and that box acting up. well they are all happy. Of course that 300 watt power supply is some kinda noisy. Good thing I didn't get two of those. geez! well bettter to have 300 with the Atholon chip from what AMD says. Also, read a really good article on cooling and you know most the 235 watt atx supplies blow air the wrong way. intresting. now to get the speakup parms saved. tnx es 73 de Scott/n3byy