Re: Send fail notifications

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On 12/18/13 10:20, Vlad Yasevich wrote:
On 12/18/2013 09:06 AM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:

You receive one notification per chunk.  This is the way lksctp
implemented failure notification.  Whether this is the right or
wrong way to do it may be up for debate.


Ok, assuming the chunk size is corellated to MTU.
With large enough MTU i do receive the full notification + original
message in one read.

As I said in the private thread that started this, current spec
is referring to messages when it talks about SEND_FAILED[_EVENT].
It covers the case where the whole message has failed and when
partial message has failed, but it misses the case where parts
of message failed for different reasons (SENT vs. UNSENT).  In
particular the setting sinfo_flags in the sndrcvinfo structure
aren't covered in this case.

So, even when talking about messages, it's feasible that you would
receive multiple notifications for the same message.  One may
specify things like:
    ssf_flags = SENT
    sinfo.sinfo_flags = DATA_FIRST_FRAG

the other may have:
   ssf_info = UNSENT
   sinfo.sinfo_flags = DATA_LAST_FRAG

The EOR flags would be sent on each notification if was received
by your application in full, since in this case EOR signals the
end of a particular notification, the the end of the user data
message we are reporting about.

You could look at the sinfo_flags.  These flags will mirror the flags
from the chunk thus allowing you to kind-of reassemble the data.

Aha, thanks.
Yes, I think these would good enough - painful but sufficient.
I wasnt paying close attention to the sinfo flags earlier
I still expect to receive the full message (although i have complained
about receiving the full message in the past ;->). I see the flag
starting with "2" middle is "0" and termination is "1". Sample log
for one of the messages that failed on my side is:
------
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x2) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) possibly left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 1024B (0x0) never left
handle_send_failed: Data(cntx 91267) 892B (0x1) never left
-----


The hitch here is the following text in the spec:
    ssf_info:  This field includes the ancillary data (struct
       sctp_sndrcvinfo) used to send the undelivered message
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lksctp follows that by simply copying the user supplied data, thus
missing things like chunk ssn, tsn and other fields that could
be useful in identifying this part of the message.


I am probably fine with what you described above.


That really is the only reliable way to tell if the parts came from the
same message.
In fact, if you look at the description of sinfo_context in Section
5.3.2, you'll see that this is exactly what it's there for.


I love that feature ;-> So for now i will have to use both.
Note, our current use does not desire to retransmit such
a message - if it didnt make it then it is obsolete. But
we need to keep track which particular message didnt get
through; and for that we only need the first chunk.

cheers,
jamal
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