On 10/29/2012 07:37 AM, Neil Horman wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 08:41:43AM +0000, Thomas Graf wrote:
On 10/26/12 at 10:37am, Neil Horman wrote:
We already have files in /proc/net/sctp to count snmp system-wide totals,
per-endpoint totals, and per association totals. Why do these stats differently
instead of just adding them the per-association file? I get that solaris does
this, but its not codified in any of the RFC's or other standards. I would
really rather see something like this go into the interfaces we have, rather
than creating a new one.
I really dislike to grow the procfs interface. I would favour a
netlink inteface but we already export all the statistics via
the socket interface so this is the most consistent choice.
I'm not sure what statistics you are referring to here. The only stats I see
exported (save for association setting exported via SCTP_STATUS on the socket
interface), are done via proc. I agree that proc stinks out loud, but my first
though when seeing stats exported via an interface in which you need to provide
process specific data (in this case the socket and association id), is that the
very next thing that someone will ask for is the ability for these stats to be
visible from outside the process, so an external tool can monitor them. I guess
I'm ok with this approach, since its more efficient than polling proc (as per
your needs below), but maybe its time to start looking at implementing a
NETLINK_STATS interface so that we can have the best of both worlds.
Yep. That's been on the TODO list for a while, just always at a lower
priority then other things...
And the max observed rto stat is just odd. Each
transport has an rto value, not each association, and you cal already see the
individual transport rto values in /proc/net/sctp/remaddr.
It's true that this is not found in any RFC and the request seems to
be based on the fact that Solaris provides this information already.
Recording the largest observed RTO is critical for latency sensitive
use cases. Looking at RTO in remaddr doesn't really help to figure out
the MAX(RTO) even with a very high polling frequency, something you
don't want to do on a procfs file.
Hm, ok, looking for the maximum rto seen is definately more efficient that a
high polling rate on the remaddr file. Still can't say I really like it as a
statistic though. While it helps in diagnosing a very specific type of problem
(applications that have a maximum allowable latency), its really not useful, and
potentially misleading, in the general case. Specificaly it may show a very
large RTO even if that RTO was an erroneous spike in behavior earlier in the
lifetime of a given transport, even if that RTO is not representative of the
current behavior of the association. It seems to me like this stat might be
better collected using a stap script or by adding a trace point to
sctp_transport_update_rto. If the application needs to know this information
internally during its operation to take corrective action, you can already get
it via the SCTP_GET_PEER_ADDR_INFO socket option on a per transport basis just
as efficiently.
The max_rto is reset after each getsockopt(), so in effect, the
application sets its own polling interval and gets the max rto achieved
during it. If the rto hasn't changed, then the last value is returned.
Not sure how much I like that. I would rather get max rto achieved
per polling period and upon reset, max_rto is accumulated again (easy
way to do that is set to rto_min on reset). This way an monitoring
thread can truly represent the max rto reported by association. It
should normally remain steady, but this will show spikes, if any.
+ if (q->asoc)
+ q->asoc->rtxpackets++;
+
+
This seems incorrect to me. The packet being assembled here may have new chunks
in it (either control or data). Counting a packet as being retransmitted just
because it has a retransmitted chunk in it seems wrong. At the very least its a
misleading/vague statistic.
I agree, this can't be done 100% accurate. I'm fine with leaving this
out and have userspace create the sum of SCTP_MIB_*_RETRANSMITS.
Thank you, I agree.
+ if (chunk->asoc)
+ chunk->asoc->outseqtsns++;
This just seems wrong. The definition states that this is counting the last TSN
recevied (despite being name outseqtsns), yet this looks like you're:
1) just incrementing a counter, rather than recording the TSN value itself
(which may or may not be what you meant, but seems to contradict what the
comments at the definition)
2) Only incremanting it if the TSN is out of range, which makes very little
sense to me.
As Vlad pointed out the name could be improved but the description
seems correct. The statistic counts the number of chunks where
TSN > expected.
I'll look at it again, but the comments really suggested to me that this was
mean to be a counter of the last transmitted tsn value, not the number of tsn's
that were received out of the windowed range.
I think we've killed this horse enough :) Number of invalid tsns is a
useful stat, it just needs to be named properly.
-vlad
Neil
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