On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 10:43 +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote: > On 12/17/2010 09:36 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:48 -0500, Douglas Gilbert wrote: > >> Recently while testing with the scsi_debug driver > >> I was able to trick the block layer into reading > >> random data which the block layer thought was > >> valid ***. > >> > >> Best to start with an example, say LBA ** 4660 has > >> an unrecoverable error (aka medium error) and > >> the block layer fires off a SCSI READ for 8 > >> blocks (512 byte variety) at LBA 4656. The response > >> will be a medium error with the sense buffer info > >> field indicating LBA 4660. Now are the 4 blocks > >> that precede it (i.e. LBA 4656 to 4659) possibly > >> sitting in the data-in buffer and valid?? > >> > >> The block layer thinks they are. This is what my > >> term "short read" in the title alludes to. So I put > >> this question to the T10 reflector: > >> http://www.t10.org/t10r.htm > >> titled "sbc: reading blocks prior to a medium error". > >> And the answers were pretty clear. And the one from > >> George Penokie of LSI is interesting because Linux's > >> block layer assumption breaks some of LSI's equipment. > > > > Well, unsurprisingly, I was aware of the issue via Novell customer > > interactions. Since you've outed LSI, we can discuss it openly. > > > > The fact is that for medium errors, every other array returns valid data > > up to the erroring sector. > > > >> On the other hand, big array vendors and database vendors > >> want exactly what the block layer is doing at the moment. > >> So those guys don't want a change. [Please correct me > >> if that is too sweeping.] Also I'm informed some other > >> OSes do this as well. > > > > Plus all disk devices transfer up to the error sector. Additionally, > > Martin Petersen uses the same code for DIF and he's secured external > > agreement from the DIF based arrays that nothwithstanding the ambiguity > > in the SCSI standards, all DIF arrays return valid data up to the sector > > with the DIF error. > > > >> I would like to propose a solution, at least in the SCSI > >> subsystem context. The 'resid' field was added 11 years > >> ago and is used by a HBA driver to indicate how many bytes > >> less than requested were placed in the scatter gather > >> list (i.e. the data-in buffer). It defaults to zero > >> (meaning all requested bytes have been read). Usually > >> for a medium error one would not bother setting resid > >> (so resid would remain 0). Somewhat surprisingly the > >> block layer has always ignored resid. I propose in the > >> case of a short read caused by a MEDIUM ERROR the block > >> layer checks resid. And if resid equals the requested > >> number of bytes then that means no data in the scatter > >> gather list is valid. So the block layer should act on > >> this information. > >> > >> To this end I propose to change the scsi_debug driver > >> to set resid equal to bufflen when it simulates a > >> medium error. > >> > >> Changes in the block layer and drivers from vendors who > >> want the strict "T10" handling of medium errors would > >> also be required. Maybe the USB mass storage (and UAS) > >> folks might also check if this impacts them. > > > > OK, so I checked, and I think all of the major in-use HBA drivers today > > do set the residue, so I'd be reasonably happy with a modification like > > the following. It basically believes the lower of either the > > transferred data or the listed error (assuming the listed error is > > valid ... if it's invalid, we still assume we can't trust anything). > > This should mean that HBA drivers that set the residue work for all > > arrays and those that don't work as they do today. > > > Okay, having been part of the discussion (and the resulting > specification digging) I'm not quite convinced that this minimal > patch does entirely the right thing. > > After all, T10 said we should consider the buffer as invalid in the > face of read or write errors, despite the fact that some bits in > there _may_ be valid. Well, T10 always gives the most conservative approach. All other array (and certainly all disk) vendors seem to confirm valid data up to the error ... certainly for the DIF case, Martin secured this agreement. > So the correct approach here would be to retry the command > with a short read up to the size indicated in the sense code; > that should avoid the error and the buffer would be filled with > correct data. > > And with that approach we would be keeping everyone happy. > > Hmm. Someone should do a patch here :-) Such a patch is harder than you think. We certainly don't want to bother disks with this ... the read with medium error probably took several seconds, so we never want to hit that sector again. I think the correct approach is: 1. If we got data up to (and possibly including) the error sector, we're done and we assume good data and terminate the command. 2. If we got an error sector and less good data than we should, then we might need to repeat. But currently failing the entire transaction at that point with what we have is good 3. For the outlier repeat path, I think reconstructing the SCSI command to request data up to the error sector is best. We still have to recognise this on return so as not to emit another read for the bad sector. The proposed patch already does 1 & 2 ... I think we can do 3 later depending on just how common the outlier arrays are. James -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-scsi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
