On Thu, 2022-10-27 at 11:03 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 03:35:57PM +0200, Niklas Schnelle wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-10-27 at 09:56 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 02:44:49PM +0200, Niklas Schnelle wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 13:26 -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 05:22:24PM +0200, Niklas Schnelle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation, still would like to grok this a bit more if > > > > > > you don't mind. If I do read things correctly synchronize_rcu() should > > > > > > run in the conext of the VFIO ioctl in this case and shouldn't block > > > > > > anything else in the kernel, correct? At least that's how I understand > > > > > > the synchronize_rcu() comments and the fact that e.g. > > > > > > net/vmw_vsock/virtio_transport.c:virtio_vsock_remove() also does a > > > > > > synchronize_rcu() and can be triggered from user-space too. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but I wouldn't look in the kernel to understand if things are OK > > > > > > > > > > > So we're > > > > > > more worried about user-space getting slowed down rather than a Denial- > > > > > > of-Service against other kernel tasks. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, functionally it is OK, but for something like vfio with vIOMMU > > > > > you could be looking at several domains that have to be detached > > > > > sequentially and with grace periods > 1s you can reach multiple > > > > > seconds to complete something like a close() system call. Generally it > > > > > should be weighed carefully > > > > > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation. Then let's not put a > > > > synchronize_rcu() in detach, as I said as long as the I/O translation > > > > tables are there an IOTLB flush after zpci_unregister_ioat() should > > > > result in an ignorable error. That said, I think if we don't have the > > > > synchronize_rcu() in detach we need it in s390_domain_free() before > > > > freeing the I/O translation tables. > > > > > > Yes, it would be appropriate to free those using one of the rcu > > > free'rs, (eg kfree_rcu) not synchronize_rcu() > > > > > > Jason > > > > They are allocated via kmem_cache_alloc() from caches shared by all > > IOMMU's so can't use kfree_rcu() directly. Also we're only freeing the > > entire I/O translation table of one IOMMU at once after it is not used > > anymore. Before that it is only grown. So I think synchronize_rcu() is > > the obvious and simple choice since we only need one grace period. > > It has the same issue as doing it for the other reason, adding > synchronize_rcu() to the domain free path is undesirable. > > The best thing is to do as kfree_rcu() does now, basically: > > rcu_head = kzalloc(rcu_head, GFP_NOWAIT, GFP_NOWARN) > if (!rcu_head) > synchronize_rcu() > else > call_rcu(rcu_head) > > And then call kmem_cache_free() from the rcu callback Hmm, maybe a stupid question but why can't I just put the rcu_head in struct s390_domain and then do a call_rcu() on that with a callback that does: dma_cleanup_tables(s390_domain->dma_table); kfree(s390_domain); I.e. the rest of the current s390_domain_free(). Then I don't have to worry about failing to allocate the rcu_head and it's simple enough. Basically just do the actual freeing of the s390_domain via call_rcu(). > > But this is getting very complicated, you might be better to refcount > the domain itself and acquire the refcount under RCU. This turns the > locking problem into a per-domain-object lock instead of a global lock > which is usually good enough and simpler to understand. > > Jason Sorry I might be a bit slow as I'm new to RCU but I don't understand this yet, especially the last part. Before this patch we do have a per- domain lock but I'm sure that's not the kind of "per-domain-object lock" you're talking about or else we wouldn't need RCU at all. Is this maybe a different way of expressing the above idea using the analogy with reference counting from whatisRCU.rst? Meaning we treat the fact that there may still be RCU readers as "there are still references to s390_domain"? Or do you mean to use a kref that is taken by RCU readers together with rcu_read_lock() and dropped at rcu_read_unlock() such that during the RCU read critical sections the refcount can't fall below 1 and the domain is actually freed once we have a) put the initial reference during s390_domain_free() and b) put all temporary references on exiting the RCU read critical sections?
