On Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:13:31 +0200 Cornelia Huck <cohuck@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 05 2021, Halil Pasic <pasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:07:13 -0400 > > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Well we established that we can know. Here's an alternative explanation: > > > > > > I thin we established how this should be in the future, where a transport > > specific mechanism is used to decide are we operating in legacy mode or > > in modern mode. But with the current QEMU reality, I don't think so. > > Namely currently the switch native-endian config -> little endian config > > happens when the VERSION_1 is negotiated, which may happen whenever > > the VERSION_1 bit is changed, or only when FEATURES_OK is set > > (vhost-user). > > > > This is consistent with device should detect a legacy driver by checking > > for VERSION_1, which is what the spec currently says. > > > > So for transitional we start out with native-endian config. For modern > > only the config is always LE. > > > > The guest can distinguish between a legacy only device and a modern > > capable device after the revision negotiation. A legacy device would > > reject the CCW. > > > > But both a transitional device and a modern only device would accept > > a revision > 0. So the guest does not know for ccw. > > Well, for pci I think the driver knows that it is using either legacy or > modern, no? It is mighty complicated. virtio-blk-pci-non-transitional and virtio-net-pci-non-transitional will give you BE, but virtio-crypto-pci, which is also non-transitional will get you LE, before VERSION_1 is set (becausevirtio-crypto uses stl_le_p()). That is fact. The deal is that virtio-blk and virtion-net was written with transitional in mind, and config code is the same for transitional and non-transitional. That is how things are now. With the QEMU changes things will be simpler. > > And for ccw, the driver knows at that point in time which revision it > negotiated, so it should know that a revision > 0 will use LE (and the > device will obviously know that as well.) With the future changes in QEMU, yes. Without these changes no. Without these changes we get BE when the guest code things it is going to get LE. That is what causes the regression. The commit message for this patch is written from the perspective of right now, and not from the perspective of future changes. Or can you hack up a guest patch that looks at the revision, figures out what endiannes is the early config access in, and does the right thing? I don't think so. I tried to explain why that is impossible. Because that would be preferable to messing with the the device and introducing another exit. > > Or am I misunderstanding what you're getting at? > Probably. I'm talking about pre- "do transport specific legacy detection in the device instead of looking at VERSION_1" you are probably talking about the post-state. If we had this new behavior for all relevant hypervisors then we wouldn't need to do a thing in the guest. The current code would work like charm. Does that answer your question? Regards, Halil
