On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 09:05:56AM +0100, Ulf Magnusson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 08:49:24AM +0100, Ulf Magnusson wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 04:12:13PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote: > > > 2018-02-10 14:48 GMT+09:00 Ulf Magnusson <ulfalizer@xxxxxxxxx>: > > > > On Fri, Feb 09, 2018 at 12:46:54PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 4:46 AM, Ulf Magnusson <ulfalizer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> > One thing that makes Kconfig confusing (though it works well enough in > > > >> > practice) is that .config files both record user selections (the saved > > > >> > configuration) and serve as a configuration output format for make. > > > >> > > > > >> > It becomes easier to think about .config files once you realize that > > > >> > assignments to promptless symbols never have an effect on Kconfig > > > >> > itself: They're just configuration output, intermixed with the saved > > > >> > user selections. > > > >> > > > > >> > Assume 'option env' symbols got written out for example: > > > >> > > > > >> > - For a non-user-assignable symbol, the entry in the .config > > > >> > file is just configuration output and ignored by Kconfig, > > > >> > which will fetch the value from the environment instead. > > > >> > > > > >> > - For an assignable 'option env' symbol, the entry in the > > > >> > .config file is a saved user selection (as well as > > > >> > configuration output), and will be respected by Kconfig. > > > >> > > > >> In the stack-protector case, this becomes quite important, since the > > > >> goal is to record the user's selection regardless of compiler > > > >> capability. For example, if someone selects _REGULAR, it shouldn't > > > >> "upgrade" to _STRONG. (Similarly for _NONE.) Having _AUTO provides a > > > >> way to pick "best possible for this compiler", though. If a user had > > > >> previously selected _STRONG but they're doing builds with an older > > > >> compiler (or a misconfigured newer compiler) without support, the goal > > > >> is to _fail_ to build, not silently select _REGULAR. > > > >> > > > >> So, in this case, what's gained is the logic for _AUTO, and the logic > > > >> to not show, say, _STRONG when it's not available in the compiler. But > > > >> we must still fail to build if _STRONG was in the .config. It can't > > > >> silently rewrite it to _REGULAR because the compiler support for > > > >> _STRONG regressed. > > > >> > > > >> -Kees > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Kees Cook > > > >> Pixel Security > > > > > > > > Provided that would be the desired behavior: > > > > > > > > What about changing the meaning of the choice symbols from e.g. "select > > > > -fstack-protector-strong" to "want -fstack-protector-strong"? Then the > > > > user preference would always be remembered, regardless of what's > > > > available. > > > > > > > > Here's a proof-of-concept. I realized that the fancy new 'imply' keyword > > > > fits pretty well here, since it works like a dependency-respecting > > > > select. > > > > > > > > config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > bool > > > > option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector-strong -c -x c /dev/null" > > > > > > > > config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR > > > > bool > > > > option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector -c -x c /dev/null" > > > > > > > > > > > > choice > > > > prompt "Stack Protector buffer overflow detection" > > > > default WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > > > config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > bool "Strong" > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > > > config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > bool "Regular" > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > > > > > config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > > bool "None" > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > > > > > > endchoice > > > > > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > bool > > > > depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > > > > Do you mean > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > bool > > > depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG && \ > > > WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > or, maybe > > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > bool > > > depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > default WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > ? > > > > With the 'imply', it should work with just the 'depends on'. I had your > > last version earlier though, and it works too. > > > > 'imply' kinda makes sense, as in "turn on the strong stack protector if > > its dependencies are satisfied". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > bool > > > > depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > > bool > > > > > > > > This version has the drawback of always showing all the options, even if > > > > some they wouldn't be available. Kconfig comments could be added to warn > > > > if an option isn't available at least: > > > > > > > > comment "Warning: Your compiler does not support -fstack-protector-strong" > > > > depends on !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > > > > > config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > comment "Warning: Your compiler does not support -fstack-protector" > > > > depends on !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > > > > > config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > ... > > > > > > > > This final comment might be nice to have too: > > > > > > > > comment "Warning: Selected stack protector not available" > > > > depends on !(CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG || > > > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR || > > > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE) > > > > > > > > Should probably introduce a clear warning that tells the user what they > > > > need to change in Kconfig if they build with a broken selection too. > > > > > > > > > > > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO could be added to the choice in a slightly kludgy > > > > way too. Maybe there's something neater. > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO > > > > bool "Automatic" > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR if !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > > imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE if !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG && \ > > > > !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > > > > > > > > > > Another drawback of this approach is that it breaks existing .config > > > > files (the CC_STACKPROTECTOR_* settings are ignored, since they just > > > > look like "configuration output" to Kconfig now). If that'd be a > > > > problem, the old names could be used instead of > > > > WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG, etc., and new names introduced instead, > > > > though it'd look a bit cryptic. > > > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, the following is what I was playing with. > > > (The idea for emitting warnings is Ulf's idea) > > > > > > > > > ------------------>8------------------- > > > config CC > > > string > > > option env="CC" > > > > > > config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR > > > bool > > > option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector -c -x c /dev/null" > > > > > > config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > bool > > > option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector-strong -c -x c /dev/null" > > > > > > config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > bool > > > option shell="$CC -Werror -fno-stack-protector -c -x c /dev/null" > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR > > > bool > > > > > > choice > > > prompt "Stack Protector buffer overflow detection" > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO > > > bool "Auto" > > > select CC_STACKPROTECTOR if (CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR || \ > > > CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG) > > > > With this approach, I guess you would still need to handle the > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO logic outside of Kconfig, since e.g. > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG won't get enabled automatically if supported. > > > > The idea above was to make it "internal" to the Kconfig files (though it > > still gets written out), with the > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_{REGULAR,STRONG,NONE} variables automatically getting > > set as appropriate. > > That was a confusing way of putting it -- sorry about that. > > What I meant was that it would just be a user selection, with all the > logic of selecting one of CC_STACKPROTECTOR_{REGULAR,STRONG,NONE} being > handled internally in the Kconfig files, even in the > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO case. > > Nothing outside of Kconfig would need to check CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO > then. > > > > > The build could then the detect if none of > > CC_STACKPROTECTOR_{REGULAR,STRONG,NONE} are set and do what's > > appropriate (error out in some semi-helpful way or whatever... not > > deeply familiar with kernel policy here :). > > > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > > bool "Regular" > > > select CC_STACKPROTECTOR > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > bool "Strong" > > > select CC_STACKPROTECTOR > > > > > > config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > bool "None" > > > > > > endchoice > > > > > > > > > comment "(WARNING) stackprotecter was chosen, but your compile does > > > not support it. Build will fail" > > > depends on CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR && \ > > > !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR > > > > > > comment "(WARNING) stackprotecter-strong was chosen, but your compile > > > does not support it. Build will fail" > > > depends on CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG && \ > > > !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > > ------------------------->8--------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, setting option flags in Makefile is dirty, like follows: > > > > > > > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG) += -fstack-protector-strong > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR) += -fstack-protector > > > > > > if ($(CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO),y) > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR) += -fstack-protector > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG) += -fstack-protector-strong > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE) += -fno-stack-protector > > > endif > > > > > > if ($(CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE),y) > > > ccflags-$(CONFIG_CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE) += -fno-stack-protector > > > endif > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One idea could be to calculate the compiler option in Kconfig. > > > > > > config CC_OPT_STACKPROTECTOR > > > string > > > default "-fstack-protector-strong" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG || \ > > > (CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO && \ > > > CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG) > > > default "-fstack-protector" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR || \ > > > (CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO && \ > > > CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR) > > > default "-fno-stack-protector" if CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > > > If CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO is made "internal", this could be simplified > > to something like > > > > config CC_OPT_STACKPROTECTOR > > string > > default "-fstack-protector-strong" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG > > default "-fstack-protector" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR > > default "-fno-stack-protector" if CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE > > # If the compiler doesn't even support > > # -fno-stack-protector > > default "" > > > > (Last default is just to make the empty string explicit. That's the > > value it would get anyway.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makefile will become clean. > > > Of course, this is at the cost of ugliness in Kconfig. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Best Regards > > > Masahiro Yamada > > > > Please tell me if I've misunderstood some aspect of the old behavior. > > > > Cheers, > > Ulf > > Cheers, > Ulf Here's a complete updated example, with some stuff from Masahiro added. Turns out warnings inside choices get cut off easily in menuconfig, so I went with just a single warning instead (which should be enough anyway). With this version, the only "outputs" that the Makefiles needs to look at are CC_STACKPROTECTOR_{STRONG,REGULAR,NONE} (and CC_OPT_STACKPROTECTOR). WANT_CC_OPT_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO is handled automatically. The caveat related to old .config files mentioned above still applies. How many compilers don't support -fno-stack-protector by the way? config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG bool option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector-strong -c -x c /dev/null" config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR bool option shell="$CC -Werror -fstack-protector -c -x c /dev/null" config CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE bool default y option shell="$CC -Werror -fno-stack-protector -c -x c /dev/null" choice prompt "Stack Protector buffer overflow detection" default WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_AUTO bool "Automatic" imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR if !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE if !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG && \ !CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG bool "Strong" imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR bool "Regular" imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR config WANT_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE bool "None" imply CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE endchoice comment "Warning: Selected stack protector not available" depends on !(CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG || \ CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR || \ CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE) config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG bool depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR bool depends on CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR config CC_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE bool config CC_OPT_STACKPROTECTOR string default "-fstack-protector-strong" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG default "-fstack-protector" if CC_STACKPROTECTOR_REGULAR default "-fno-stack-protector" if CC_HAS_STACKPROTECTOR_NONE # If the compiler doesn't even support # -fno-stack-protector default "" Of course, at some point you're just moving complexity from one place to another. Maybe this all-Kconfig approach isn't worth it if people find it harder to understand. I don't know how bad the Makefiles are here at the moment. Cheers, Ulf -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-s390" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html