Re: hyperthreading and RT latency

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Hi Alison,

On Thu, Aug 05, 2021 at 01:16:17PM -0700, Alison Chaiken wrote:
> The advice in the RT wiki
> 
>     https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/HOWTO:_Build_an_RT-application#Hyper_threading
> 
> about configuring the kernel and building RT applications was written
> in 2014, when we were on the 3.x series.   That makes one wonder how
> relevant some of it is for the 5.x series, especially since processors
> in common use have changed some since then.  Some of the advice,
> notably about power management, obviously is timeless.
> 
> In particular, Daniel Wagner added:
> 
>     https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/HOWTO:_Build_an_RT-application#Hyper_threading
> 
>     "Hyper threading and also out of order execution of CPUs introduces
>     'random' latencies. As mentioned in power management, it is
>      recommended to disable these feature (if possible) or carefully
>      benchmark the performance."
> 
> Is the advice still current?

I don't think the situation has changed. Though, I don't run these test
on modern hardware on regular basis. The last time I played with it on a
bit more modern hardware it was still measurable by cyclictest with
hackbench as workload.

> Should we RT-users all still turn hyperthreading off?

Obviously, it depends on your use case. If your application can tolerate
the added noise by SMT, you don't have to disable it.

> Given the security vulnerabilities associated
> with hyperthreading, there are clearly some use cases where doing so
> is indicated anyway.

Again it depends on your use case.

Daniel



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