Re: [PATCH v2 1/6] dt-bindings: media: renesas,isp: Add Gen4 family fallback

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 09:46:44AM -0500, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 07:36:35AM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > On 27/08/2024 23:34, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 10:12:33AM +0200, Niklas Söderlund wrote:
> > >> On 2024-08-27 08:31:22 +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> > >>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2024 at 04:43:47PM +0200, Niklas Söderlund wrote:
> > >>>> The ISP Channel Selector IP is the same for all current Gen4 devices.
> > >>>> This was not known when adding support for V3U and V4H and a single SoC
> > >>>> specific compatible was used.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Before adding more SoC specific bindings for V4M add a family compatible
> > >>>> fallback for Gen4. That way the driver only needs to be updated once for
> > >>>> Gen4, and we still have the option to fix any problems in the driver if
> > >>>> any testable differences between the SoCs are found.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There are already DTS files using the V3U and V4H compatibles which
> > >>>> needs to be updated to not produce a warning for DTS checks. The driver
> > >>>> also needs to kept the compatible values to be backward compatible , but
> > >>>> for new Gen4 SoCs such as V4M we can avoid this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Signed-off-by: Niklas Söderlund <niklas.soderlund+renesas@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>> ---
> > >>>> * Changes since v1
> > >>>> - New in v2.
> > >>>> ---
> > >>>>  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/renesas,isp.yaml | 3 ++-
> > >>>>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/renesas,isp.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/renesas,isp.yaml
> > >>>> index 33650a1ea034..730c86f2d7b1 100644
> > >>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/renesas,isp.yaml
> > >>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/media/renesas,isp.yaml
> > >>>> @@ -22,6 +22,7 @@ properties:
> > >>>>        - enum:
> > >>>>            - renesas,r8a779a0-isp # V3U
> > >>>>            - renesas,r8a779g0-isp # V4H
> > >>>> +      - const: renesas,rcar-gen4-isp # Generic R-Car Gen4
> > >>>
> > >>> Adding generic fallback post-factum is odd, does not feel reliable.
> > >>> Instead use specific compatibles as fallbacks.
> > >>
> > >> I agree, it feels a bit odd. But this was the road we hammered out at 
> > >> great pain for how to be able to move forward with this issue for the 
> > >> other IP block involved in video capture for R-Car Gen4, VIN [1]. This 
> > >> just mirrors that long discussion decision for the R-Car CSISP.
> > >>
> > >> I would hate to have different solutions for the two.
> > >>
> > >> 1. [PATCH v5 0/6] rcar-vin: Add support for R-Car V4M
> > >>    https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240704161620.1425409-1-niklas.soderlund+renesas@xxxxxxxxxxxx/
> > > 
> > > The compatible fallback for VIN has been added following a request from
> > > Conor and Rob, so it would be nice if the three of you could agree to
> > > achieve consistency in the bindings :-)
> > 
> > Don't twist our answers. You need fallback, but specific, not family.
> > There was a countless number of answers from Rob that specific
> > compatibles are preferred.
> 
> Preferred, definitely. But preferred is not absolute. The Renesas 
> bindings have consistently followed the above style for some time. For 
> the most part that has worked out it seems (based on Geert's slides 
> linked in one of the threads). If you want to continue that here, it's 
> not something I care to argue about.
> 
> However, I have to agree that adding the fallback after the fact is not 
> ideal. Why design it where you have to carry renesas,r8a779g0-isp and 
> renesas,rcar-gen4-isp in the driver forever when you could have 0 driver 
> changes instead? The problem with genericish fallbacks is you have to 
> know the future. Am I going to have a family of chips with the same 
> block? It's much easier to just say "oh, this new chip is compatible 
> with this old chip".

Yep, that's what I said pretty much. When I acked it I did so with the
comment:
| Same caveat here. Using the g model as a fallback is, as we already
| discussed, an option too and would be less disruptive.
| (at https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240626-unnatural-ember-26ae8895c008@spud/)

But...

> > Look, Conor's reply:
> > 
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240620-gating-coherent-af984389b2d7@spud/
> > Do you see family fallback? I think "r8a779g0" is SoC.
> > 
> > Look here:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240610-screen-wolverine-78370c66d40f@spud/
> > 
> > Or here
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240624-rented-danger-300652ab8eeb@wendy/
> > where Conor agrees against!
> 
> But he ultimately Acked it.

...since Geert was happy enough with taking the modifications to existing
devicetrees, and well aware of the pros/cons of each approach, I figured
I had argued it enough and let it be.

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