Hi Mark, On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 5:51 PM Mark Brown <broonie@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:43:47AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > So it seems the audio DMAC is deferred a second time, before the iommu driver > > probed. > > Shouldn't there be at least one more round of deferred probe triggers > after the IOMMU probes? My statement above was incorrect. Adding more debug info allowed to gain more insight: A. If CONFIG_IPMMU_VMSA=y, everything is fine: 1. ipmmu probes, 2. audio-dmac probes, 3. audio probes, using DMA B. If CONFIG_IPMMU_VMSA=n, the sound driver falls back to PIO, which Morimoto-san worked around by commit 6c92d5a2744e2761 ("ASoC: rsnd: don't fallback to PIO mode when -EPROBE_DEFER")[1] 1. ipmmu is not probed: driver not enabled => OK 2. audio-dmac is not probed: iommu not found 3. audio fails to probe (3 times, hence just ignoring the first one is not sufficient): "of_dma_find_controller: can't find DMA controller /soc/dma-controller@ec700000" => fell back to PIO before [1] => -EPROBE_DEFER since [1] 4. audio-dmac probes of_iommu_xlate() calls driver_deferred_probe_check_state(), leading to ("ignoring dependency for device, assuming no driver") If step 3 returned -EPROBE_DEFER, there's one additional step: 5. audio reprobes successfully, using DMA. While step 2 (DMA-capable device not probed because iommu not found) is correct for devices with a builtin dmac, it causes issues with external dmacs, as the dmac probe may be postponed after the DMA slave driver probe. C. Before commit ac6bbf0cdf4206c5 ("iommu: Remove IOMMU_OF_DECLARE"), with CONFIG_IPMMU_VMSA=n: 1. ipmmu is not probed: driver not enabled => OK 2. audio-dmac probes => OK Missing IOMMU ignored, as per !ops && !of_iommu_driver_present(iommu_spec->np) in of_iommu_xlate(), which is really !ops && !of_match_node(&__iommu_of_table, np)) 3. audio probes, using DMA Note: if of_dma_find_controller() would have failed (e.g. missing dmac driver), the audio driver fell back to PIO here. As per Morimoto-san's recent reply, audio really needs DMA, so the current behavior of B.5. is OK. However, this may not be true for other devices (e.g. SPI, i2c, serial, ...), where the dmac is optional. The main issue is that if of_dma_find_controller() fails, a DMA slave driver cannot distinguish between dmac not yet probed successfully, and dmac driver not present. However, as we rely more and more on probe deferral, this will cause more issues in the future. I guess the proper solution is to take into account dependencies described in DT before probing devices, i.e. devices with phandles should always be probed after the targets of these phandles? Complication: - Circular dependencies, - Optional phandle targets (dmacs, oops). Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds