On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:58:21AM +0100, Rasmus Villemoes wrote:
> On 08/03/2019 01.08, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> > On Thu, 2019-03-07 at 08:18 +0100, Rasmus Villemoes wrote:
> >> On 07/03/2019 03.14, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> >>> On 3/6/19 5:24 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> diff --git a/include/linux/overflow.h b/include/linux/overflow.h
> >>>>> index 40b48e2133cb..8afe0c0ada6f 100644
> >>>>> +++ b/include/linux/overflow.h
> >>>>> @@ -202,6 +202,24 @@
> >>>>> #endif /* COMPILER_HAS_GENERIC_BUILTIN_OVERFLOW */
> >>>>> +/*
> >>>>> + * Evaluate a >= 0 without triggering a compiler warning if the type
> >>>>> of a
> >>>>> + * is an unsigned type.
> >>>>> + */
> >>>>> +#define is_positive(a) ({ \
> >>
> >> is_non_negative, please! positive means > 0. And perhaps it's better to
> >> move these utility macros closer to the top of the file, together with
> >> the other type/range helpers.
> >
> > Hi Rasmus,
> >
> > Thank you for the feedback. But according to what I found online opinions
> > about whether or not zero is a positive number seem to vary. From
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_(mathematics):
>
> Yes, I'm a mathematician, I'm aware of that. You can also find people
> who use "less than" in the "<=" sense, and then say "strictly less than"
> when they mean "<".
>
> > Terminology for signs
> >
> > When 0 is said to be neither positive nor negative, the following phrases
> > may be used to refer to the sign of a number:
> > * A number is positive if it is greater than zero.
> > * A number is negative if it is less than zero.
> > * A number is non-negative if it is greater than or equal to zero.
> > * A number is non-positive if it is less than or equal to zero.
> >
> > When 0 is said to be both positive and negative, modified phrases are used
> > to refer to the sign of a number:
> > * A number is strictly positive if it is greater than zero.
> > * A number is strictly negative if it is less than zero.
> > * A number is positive if it is greater than or equal to zero.
> > * A number is negative if it is less than or equal to zero.
>
> Right, but in no way does it ever make sense to mix these conventions.
> So the options for describing ">= 0, < 0" are "non_negative, negative"
> or "positive, strictly_negative".
>
> In the context of the C language, the first convention is used. While
> not explicitly stated, it can be inferred from usage of the terms.
> First, the word nonnegative is used (e.g. in defining argc). Second, "If
> the value of the right operand [in a shift expression] is negative [...]
> the behaviour is undefined.", so certainly negative cannot include 0.
> Third, E* constants are required to be positive, and "[errno] is never
> set to zero by any library function". Etc. etc.
Lets use is_unsigned() or is_unsigned_value() then for the name of the
test, that is pretty unambiguous and alot nicer to read than
is_not_negative()
FWIW, in computer science I generally see the terms used as:
negatve: < 0
positive: >= 0
natural: > 0
This language naturally follows the twos complement construction where
it is very logical to say a number with the sign bit set is 'negative'
and a number with it clear is 'positive', which means 0 is positive.
Which is probably enraging to mathematicians.. But has a certain
logic.
.. and most CS places don't actually care about the difference
between > 0 and >= 0 , while < 0 is usually highly interesting.
Jason
