On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 01:56:16PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023, Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 04:10:53PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote: > > > PCI core/ASPM service driver allows controlling ASPM state through > > > pci_disable_link_state() and pci_enable_link_state() API. It was > > > decided earlier (see the Link below), to not allow ASPM changes when OS > > > does not have control over it but only log a warning about the problem > > > (commit 2add0ec14c25 ("PCI/ASPM: Warn when driver asks to disable ASPM, > > > but we can't do it")). Similarly, if ASPM is not enabled through > > > config, ASPM cannot be disabled. > ... > > This disables *all* ASPM states, unlike the version when > > CONFIG_PCIEASPM is enabled. I suppose there's a reason, and maybe a > > comment could elaborate on it? > > > > When CONFIG_PCIEASPM is not enabled, I don't think we actively > > *disable* ASPM in the hardware; we just leave it as-is, so firmware > > might have left it enabled. > > This whole trickery is intended for drivers that do not want to have ASPM > because the devices are broken with it. So leaving it as-is is not really > an option (as demonstrated by the custom workarounds). Right. > > Conceptually it seems like the LNKCTL updates here should be the same > > whether CONFIG_PCIEASPM is enabled or not (subject to the question > > above). > > > > When CONFIG_PCIEASPM is enabled, we might need to do more stuff, but > > it seems like the core should be the same. > > So you think it's safer to partially disable ASPM (as per driver's > request) rather than disable it completely? I got the impression that the > latter might be safer from what Rafael said earlier but I suppose I might > have misinterpreted him since he didn't exactly say that it might be safer > to _completely_ disable it. My question is whether the state of the device should depend on CONFIG_PCIEASPM. If the driver does this: pci_disable_link_state(PCIE_LINK_STATE_L0S) do we want to leave L1 enabled when CONFIG_PCIEASPM=y but disable L1 when CONFIG_PCIEASPM is unset? I can see arguments both ways. My thought was that it would be nice to end up with a single implementation of pci_disable_link_state() with an #ifdef around the CONFIG_PCIEASPM-enabled stuff because it makes the code easier to read. Bjorn